Sunday, April 29, 2007

FRANK WALTON MAKING EXCUSES FOR HIS WEAKNESS

For those of you who don't know, Axiom tech (aka QXDC) has challenged Frank Walton to a debate. Axiom should have know that Frank doesn't have an honest bone in his body. Axiom is wasting his time with Walton who is the even worse than Ray Comfort at trying to argue the theist side. As you can see from the following post Frank tries to weasel his way out of their exchange over 125 words!

Axiom-Tech, You have just broken one of the rules of the debate. As you can see in the very first post in this forum (by Knight) you were to write an opening no more than 1500 words, yet you’re opening is 1625 words (not counting the references… I don’t count those… but, uh, it seemed liked you were doing more arguing in the third reference! Give me a break!). And you wonder why I called you a moron? As far as I can tell none of the moderators warned you about this infraction, which is unfortunate, and which is why I'm posting this message myself. My sole purpose of going to a forum was to have a fair debate while being properly moderated. I will post my opening tomorrow, but if you continue to break the rules of the debate (or weasel in more arguments in your reference section), I will not continue it. I hope you would be more civil in your conduct. Thanks, Frank Walton


Talk about grasping for straws. I can't believe this joker believes he would have lasted a micro second against me. QXDC is one of the weakest Atheist I have ever come across, he has been regularly pwned by both Rook and I in the stickam room. Frank can't even handle a wanna be Atheist! lol!

Why do I call him a wanna be Atheist? Does this look like something an Atheist would do?




(Axiom tech on the left getting friendly with Kent Hovind)

Friday, April 27, 2007

HITLER WAS NO ATHEIST- HE WAS A CHRISTIAN

I really hate it when religious people try to tell me that Hitler was an Atheist and that Nazism was the result of a Godless country. If like me, you encounter this type of ignorance, the below post is a nice resource to have around.

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work. [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]


There is a road to freedom. Its milestones are Obedience, Endeavor, Honesty, Order, Cleanliness, Sobriety, Truthfulness, Sacrifice, and love of the Fatherland. [Message, signed Hitler, painted on walls of concentration camps; Life, August 21, 1939]


Woman's world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men. [Adolph Hitler, quoted in Lucy Komisar, The New Feminism]


Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith . . . we need believing people. [Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, from a speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant of 1933]


I have followed [the Church] in giving our party program the character of unalterable finality, like the Creed. The Church has never allowed the Creed to be interfered with. It is fifteen hundred years since it was formulated, but every suggestion for its amendment, every logical criticism, or attack on it, has been rejected. The Church has realized that anything and everything can be built up on a document of that sort, no matter how contradictory or irreconcilable with it. The faithful will swallow it whole, so long as logical reasoning is never allowed to be brought to bear on it. [Adolf Hitler, from Rauschning, _The Voice of Destruction_, pp. 239-40]


My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and exposed. [Adolf Hitler, speech on April 12, 1922, published in My New Order, quoted in Freethought Today April 1990]


I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 46]


What we have to fight for...is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill the mission assigned to it by the Creator. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp. 125]


This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.152]


And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his estimation of the Jewish people. When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the human race out of the Temple of God. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.174]


Catholics and Protestants are fighting with one another... while the enemy of Aryan humanity and all Christendom is laughing up his sleeve. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, pp.309]


I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so [Adolph Hitler, to Gen. Gerhard Engel, 1941]


Any violence which does not spring from a spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. It lacks the stability which can only rest in a fanatical outlook. [Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, p. 171]


I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 1]


I was not in agreement with the sharp anti-Semitic tone, but from time to time I read arguments which gave me some food for thought. At all events, these occasions slowly made me acquainted with the man and the movement, which in those days guided Vienna's destinies: Dr. Karl Lueger and the Christian Social Party. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 2]


...the unprecedented rise of the Christian Social Party... was to assume the deepest significance for me as a classical object of study. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


As long as leadership from above was not lacking, the people fulfilled their duty and obligation overwhelmingly. Whether Protestant pastor or Catholic priest, both together and particularly at the first flare, there really existed in both camps but a single holy German Reich, for whose existence and future each man turned to his own heaven. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


Political parties has nothing to do with religious problems, as long as these are not alien to the nation, undermining the morals and ethics of the race; just as religion cannot be amalgamated with the scheming of political parties. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else has no right to be in politics, but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes! [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


In nearly all the matters in which the Pan-German movement was wanting, the attitude of the Christian Social Party was correct and well-planned. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


It [Christian Social Party] recognized the value of large-scale propaganda and was a virtuoso in influencing the psychological instincts of the broad masses of its adherents. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3]


If Dr. Karl Lueger had lived in Germany, he would have been ranked among the great minds of our people. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 3, about the leader of the Christian Social movement]


Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]


I had so often sung 'Deutschland u:ber Alles' and shouted 'Heil' at the top of my lungs, that it seemed to me almost a belated act of grace to be allowed to stand as a witness in the divine court of the eternal judge and proclaim the sincerity of this conviction. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]


Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 5]


I soon realized that the correct use of propaganda is a true art which has remained practically unknown to the bourgeois parties. Only the Christian- Social movement, especially in Lueger's time achieved a certain virtuosity on this instrument, to which it owed many of its success. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 6]


Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 7, reflecting on World War I]


The more abstractly correct and hence powerful this idea will be, the more impossible remains its complete fulfillment as long as it continues to depend on human beings... If this were not so, the founders of religion could not be counted among the greatest men of this earth... In its workings, even the religion of love is only the weak reflection of the will of its exalted founder; its significance, however, lies in the direction which it attempted to give to a universal human development of culture, ethics, and morality. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]


To them belong, not only the truly great statesmen, but all other great reformers as well. Beside Frederick the Great stands Martin Luther as well as Richard Wagner. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 8]


The fight against syphilis demands a fight against prostitution, against prejudices, old habits, against previous conceptions, general views among them not least the false prudery of certain circles. The first prerequisite for even the moral right to combat these things is the facilitation of earlier marriage for the coming generation. In late marriage alone lies the compulsion to retain an institution which, twist and turn as you like, is and remains a disgrace to humanity, an institution which is damned ill-suited to a being who with his usual modesty likes to regard himself as the 'image' of God. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]


Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth...Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10, echoing the Cultural Warfare rhetoric of the Religious Right]


But if out of smugness, or even cowardice, this battle is not fought to its end, then take a look at the peoples five hundred years from now. I think you will find but few images of God, unless you want to profane the Almighty. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]


While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine-- an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular-- right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]


The great masses of people do not consist of philosophers; precisely for the masses, faith is often the sole foundation of a moral attitude. The various substitutes have not proved so successful from the standpoint of results that they could be regarded as a useful replacement for previous religious creeds. But if religious doctrine and faith are really to embrace the broad masses, the unconditional authority of the content of this faith is the foundation of all efficacy. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 10]


Due to his own original special nature, the Jew cannot possess a religious institution, if for no other reason because he lacks idealism in any form, and hence belief in a hereafter is absolutely foreign to him. And a religion in the Aryan sense cannot be imagined which lacks the conviction of survival after death in some form. Indeed, the Talmud is not a book to prepare a man for the hereafter, but only for a practical and profitable life in this world. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]


The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present-day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11]


....the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1, Chapter 11, precisely echoing Martin Luther's teachings]


Faith is harder to shake than knowledge, love succumbs less to change than respect, hate is more enduring than aversion, and the impetus to the mightiest upheavals on this earth has at all times consisted less in a scientific knowledge dominating the masses than in a fanaticism which inspired them and sometimes in a hysteria which drove them forward. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12]


The greatness of every mighty organization embodying an idea in this world lies in the religious fanaticism and intolerance with which, fanatically convinced of its own right, it intolerantly imposes its will against all others. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12]


The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12]


All in all, this whole period of winter 1919-20 was a single struggle to strengthen confidence in the victorious might of the young movement and raise it to that fanaticism of faith which can move mountains. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 1 Chapter 12]


Thus inwardly armed with confidence in God and the unshakable stupidity of the voting citizenry, the politicians can begin the fight for the 'remaking' of the Reich as they call it. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1]


Of course, even the general designation 'religious' includes various basic ideas or convictions, for example, the indestructibility of the soul, the eternity of its existence, the existence of a higher being, etc. But all these ideas, regardless of how convincing they may be for the individual, are submitted to the critical examination of this individual and hence to a fluctuating affirmation or negation until emotional divination or knowledge assumes the binding force of apodictic faith. This, above all, is the fighting factor which makes a breach and opens the way for the recognition of basic religious views. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1]


Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 1]


A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


It would be more in keeping with the intention of the noblest man in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying Negroes with missions which they neither desire nor understand, would kindly, but in all seriousness, teach our European humanity that where parents are not healthy it is a deed pleasing to God to take pity on a poor little healthy orphan child and give him father and mother, than themselves to give birth to a sick child who will only bring unhappiness and suffering on himself and the rest of the world. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


That this is possible may not be denied in a world where hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people voluntarily submit to celibacy, obligated and bound by nothing except the injunction of the Church. Should the same renunciation not be possible if this injunction is replaced by the admonition finally to put an end to the constant and continuous original sin of racial poisoning, and to give the Almighty Creator beings such as He Himself created? [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


For the greatest revolutionary changes on this earth would not have been thinkable if their motive force, instead of fanatical, yes, hysterical passion, had been merely the bourgeois virtues of law and order. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


It doesn't dawn on this depraved bourgeois world that this is positively a sin against all reason; that it is criminal lunacy to keep on drilling a born half-ape until people think they have made a lawyer out of him, while millions of members of the highest culture-race must remain in entirely unworthy positions; that it is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator if His most gifted beings by the hundreds and hundreds of thousands are allowed to degenerate in the present proletarian morass, while Hottentots and Zulu Kaffirs are trained for intellectual professions. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 2]


Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 5]


For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure? ...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 5]


The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10]


In the ranks of the movement [National Socialist movement], the most devout Protestant could sit beside the most devout Catholic, without coming into the slightest conflict with his religious convictions. The mighty common struggle which both carried on against the destroyer of Aryan humanity had, on the contrary, taught them mutually to respect and esteem one another. [Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf Vol. 2 Chapter 10]


For this, to be sure, from the child's primer down to the last newspaper, every theater and every movie house, every advertising pillar and every billboard, must be pressed into the service of this one great mission, until the timorous prayer of our present parlor patriots: 'Lord, make us free!' is transformed in the brain of the smallest boy into the burning plea: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the time comes; be just as thou hast always been; judge now whether we be deserving of freedom; Lord, bless our battle!' [Adolf Hitler's prayer, Mein Kampf, Vol. 2 Chapter 13]


The Government, being resolved to undertake the political and moral purification of our public life, are creating and securing the conditions necessary for a really profound revival of religious life [Adolph Hitler, in a speech to the Reichstag on March 23, 1933]


I go the way that Providence dictates with the assurance of a sleepwalker. [Adolf Hitler, Speech, 15 March 1936, Munich, Germany.]


Today Christians ... stand at the head of [this country]... I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit ... We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press - in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past ... (few) years. [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]

Thursday, April 19, 2007

Monday, April 16, 2007

GOD DOES NOT EXIST


Does God exist? This is one of the most important questions affecting our modern world. Primitive man attributed almost everything in his natural environment to god or gods of some kind. Many devout ancient northern Europeans once worshipped the god Thor. Legend has it that he defeated the personification of “Old Age” in battle. Thor, whose name in Old English is “Þunor” gave his name to the day Þunresdæg, meaning the day of Þunor, known in Modern English as Thursday. Þunor (Thor) is also the source of the modern word thunder for which he was once thought to be responsible for. Primitive man would hear Thunder and attribute it to Thor having a bad day or dispensing judgment for some blasphemy.

The question we should ask is why Thor is no longer worshipped? Even today science has yet to fully explain the phenomenon of thunder. Aristotle thought it was the caused by cloud collisions. In the 20th century a consensus evolved that thunder must begin with a shock wave in the air due to the sudden thermal expansion of the plasma in the lightning channel.

The reason I bring up Thor and the phenomenon of thunder, is they are representative of what was once considered a gap in human understanding. What was once considered a mystery is now easily answered with the advent of science. Sure it’s a theory but it is one which can be tested and has a high probability of truth. Do you know any Christians who protest the scientific stance on the theory of thunder? No, to them the scientific data is sufficient enough to falsify the belief and worship of the god Thor. Why is it that they are willing to accept high probabilities based on Science when it relates to Thor, but cringe at the thought that we reconsider the improbability of talking donkeys?

Christians themselves are Atheist in regards to Thor, Odin, Mithras, Dionysus, Baal, Attis, Osiris, Horus, Ahura Mazda, Huracán, Zeus, Apollo, along with countless other gods, the difference being that we simply believe in one less god than they do!

One could argue that there is no point in refuting something which has yet to be proven. In this case, “God exists” is the positive claim. The burden of proof lies with the person making the claim, especially an extraordinary claim such as this. Simply positing a god with zero proof proves absolutely nothing. Often theists like to follow their unproven claim with “well you can’t disprove god” which is a false dichotomy. It must be proven first otherwise the claim to improvability could fall to any outrageous claim. You can’t disprove anything that has not yet had positive support. What if I said the Flying Spaghetti Monster was the true creator of the world and simply fell back to well you can’t disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster’s existence? No reasonable human being (Christians included) would accept that without some sort of proof, yet this is exactly what we find all over the world.

Burden of proof aside, I will address the unproven claim in detail. This will be done using several systematic topics and techniques. The first topic I will address which speaks to the god of the bible (GOTB) being false, are the incoherency arguments i.e. (all just but all forgiving etc.) attributed to him. This part of the case I call “the logical case against the creator”. Secondly, I will address the more technical aspects of the books reportedly inspired by him. I have a fairly good lexicon of both Hebrew and Koine Greek which will be employed when evaluating many of the contradictions, redaction and interpolations found throughout the Tanakh and Greek Testament. I will also use Archaeological materials from Ras Shamra (Ugarit) , Khirbet el-Qôm and other pre-Israelite cities in antiquity to show this supposed tradition of monotheism was unfounded. Judaic monotheism rose out of a Henotheistic belief system which is heavily attested to in the Tanakh itself. Many Christians love to call this an evolution of religion. "People used to worship many gods but now we know better, there is only one god" - N.T. Wright.

Well if the evolution from many gods to one is progression, whats the next logical sequence?

to be continued.....



Friday, April 13, 2007

EVIDENCE FOR HIS SPLIT PERSONAS

Michael,

Thank you for the question I will show you what evidence I have:

1st and for most if you read his reply (my so called rebuttal by him) you will see that he does not deny making the accusations.
In fact he says the following:

We’re not here to debate how much of a meanie I am.

Would it make any sense to say “Mr. Walton is a meanie, therefore God doesn’t exist”?

In my original post about his impersonations I linked the following sites:

You see there was a parody site of Walton’s blog titled Atheism sucks sucks.
The creators of that blog,detail what happened here:

http://wegothacked.blogspot.com/


We were simply making a parody of Frank's blog but now they're pretending to be Mike with Miguel De Alba's Blog. Also, Frank, or a friend of his, probably hacked Mike's computer.

Here is a fake blog Mr. Walton created masquerading as Infidel Mike:

http://infidelmike.blogspot.com/


And fake comments by Frank (Miguel De Alba):

http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2007/03/who-censors-more-people-youtube-or.html

If you go to the above link it will forward you to the screen name Rational Response Squad Jr. This is a handle Frank has been masquerading as. I can prove it by not only the real Miguel de Alba’s testimony, but by the liguistics employed by Mr. Walton himself. Notice how the two have almost the exact same verbage usage:

Notice his fascination with my post-graduate work (PhD):

(These are all from Franks comments on his blogs and Myspace pages)

“You best come up with a first rebuttal soon and not on the last day, Mr. Doctoral Candidate”.

“No, Mr. PhD candidate, the readers came for a debate and you're getting too lazy to give us the goods”.

“It actually took a PhD candidate to conjure that up!”

“Hey Mr. PhD., you can run but you can't hide.”

Notice how Rational Response Squad Jr sounds exactly like Mr. Walton:

Rational Response Squad Jr. has left a new comment on your post "Frank Walton Fiasco":

What are you talking about, Rich. I'm with you against Frank "the fart" Walton. He's an idiotic fool! Screw him and his organization. We are the "Rational Response Squad." You're with us. Brian Sapient says hello by the way. You have the better argument against Frank Walton bar none. I especially liked your "just have faith that Christianity" is wrong argument. That's the best thing a PhD candidate can come up with. Forget evidence! You just have faith. That's good. Show those fundies what you're made of. Keep up the good work, friend".

I speak to Brian Sapient everyday people…there is no reason for him to give a shot-out to me through someone who knows him far less than I do!

Remember this is just one of his persons. He also uses S_allegory, which he created this bogus blog with:

http://sallegory.blogspot.com/

This is nothing new, he has been doing this for quite some time. Here is a good blog on the phenomenon that is Mr. Sibil...I mean Walton.

http://killtheafterlife.blogspot.com/2007/04/more-fake-atheists.html

Austin Cline from about.com wrote a story about fake atheist bloggers here:

http://atheism.about.com/b/a/258978.htm

Wednesday, April 11, 2007

FRANK WALTON FIASCO

For those of you who don't know, I attempted to engage Mr. Frank Walton in a debate about the existence of the god of the bible. I have to admit that I knew almost nothing of the man when I engaged him for debate. Slowly, I was made aware of why he has such a bad reputation in both the Christian and Atheist communities.

My wife had a healthy baby boy last week so I asked if we could postpone the debate. He reluctantly agreed. Soon after his initial agititation, he began sending me messages like this:

Don't be a weasel and don't be a coward. I don't mean to rush you but, dude, you're not trustworthy.

A friend of mine has been following Mr. Walton for quite sometime and proved that he routinely masquerades as other posters on his blog. Here is an example: http://wegothacked.blogspot.com/

Here is a fake blog Mr. Walton created masquerading as Infidel Mike: http://infidelmike.blogspot.com/

And fake comments by Frank (Miguel De Alba): http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2007/03/who-censors-more-people-youtube-or.html

This just the tip of the iceberg, he not only sent me racist remarks he insulted my wife!

Read the following reply I sent him:

First, I would like to applaud Mr Walton for admitting that faith proves absolutely nothing. If you cannot see the point I was making then you are intellectually bankrupt. You can go to my blog if you need it spelled out for you: http://christianpwnage101.blogspot.com/

I find it quite humorous that Mr. Walton attacked my “faith” statement with an appeal to reason. I applaud you for using what little brain matter you have in that lost head of yours, but don’t you realize what it is you just did? You just confirmed the primacy of Reason over Faith! Thanks Frank

But you see for the Christian it's different.

Special pleading…it is no different than any other belief system which invokes faith. You can say anything is true by invoking faith but does it make it so? I could say I have faith that an invisible unicorn is the creator of all life on planet Earth does that make it so? No, since the burden of proof is on the person making the positive claim. Otherwise I could say “prove that the invisible unicorn didn’t create all life on Earth”. Does that make it truth? In order for a claim to be true it must be falsifiable.

The point is moot anyway, since Mr. Walton has already conceded the debate. He has shown his immaturity and lack of tolerance in his comments and private messages to me. For those of you who don’t know, Mr. Walton routinely masquerades (hides) behind pseudo identities on his blog. His latest pseudo names are Rational Response Jr and S_ Allegory. Yes, he actually writes replies to himself on his own blog! If that does not give you some insight into the mind of this lost individual read the following.

Here are some samples of his Christian morality: (Mr. S allegory (Frank) is commenting on my picture in Masonic regalia on my Myspace page.

Hey whats the deal with the outfit? Hopefully your making salsa for the white man, you know the real race.

Is this what Christianity has come to? I am often critical of the teachings but when such ignorance and hatred is spewing from the mouths of the so called devout, what is one to think?

My wife just gave birth to a healthy baby boy last week (was the reason for the debate postponement) Mr. Walton has this
to say about it:

“Apparently you knocked up another whore”

“You need to concentrate on the debate fag-boy and stop deleting my comments”

“I'll bet you free-masons suck a lot of dick huh?”

http://blog.myspace.com/npsociety ( Is the bible inerrant blog) I also have screen shots.

Wow, remember this Frank “"You will know them by their fruits” Matthew 7:16. Apparently you have never read the book you claim to believe in. Is this the fruits of belief? I don’t think so, I don’t believe Frank is a Christian. He has shown it by his racist ignorant replies. What Christian reading this will stand on the side of this man? Will you put your name into the same hat as such a person? If you are a “real” (true Scotsman aside) Christian please let Mr. Walton know what you think of his comments.

I am going to continue my rebuttal but not for the child who invokes bigotry and hatred. I will respond for those Christians out there who really want to understand why an Atheist denies the god of the bible. I will post these to this blog:
http://christianpwnage101.blogspot.com/

Frank has presented one of the worst cases I have read in a debate. Anyone who knows me understands that I have successfully debated many Theists and could easily dismantle his weak plagiaristic J.P Holding regurgitations. Mr. Walton is not even worthy of identification with the least of them. He wonders why no one wants to debate him, frankly I can see why. No self respecting professional should engage in conversation with such a character. I was warned that he would pull antics of this type but I naively engaged him anyway. When I did ask for this debate, I assumed I would be debating a sincere Christian who at the minimum understood the message of Christ in the bible. I am sad to say that this is clearly not the case. Mr. Walton is filled with hatred, bigotry and malice.

Then again maybe these are the true teachings of the bible. It is certainly easy to find verses that support that hypothesis but is that what Christians mean when they claim to me children of god? I don’t think so - most Christians are good loving people who hold steadily to family values and other humanistic principles. I can identify with their humanistic efforts and applaud many of the good works they do. We Atheist can claim the same efforts for our own and do many of the same good works without the concept of future reward (or damnation) for our actions. We are all human beings living on an insignificant planet in a vast universe. We should seek to find ways to harmonize our efforts and hopefully one day we will. People like Mr. Walton are unfortunately just lashing out at their own misfortunes. Frank I don’t know what happened to you as a child, where you not loved, or possibly molested? I feel sorry for you my friend but guess what I forgive you. I forgive you for your ignorance and hatred towards me and my family.

For those of you who don’t know me or Mr. Walton very well, ask yourselves this. Based on the actions displayed by the two of us here, who would you say displays the morality you identify with?

Wednesday, April 4, 2007

A STORY ABOUT FAITH

I want to tell you a story of a recent debate I had. The debate was with a local fundamentalist Christian pastor. Before the debate, I learned a thing or two about the approach this pastor usually takes. I learned that he never really intended to have a real debate with me and was going to rely heavily on an appeal to ignorance and faith. He intended to ridicule me while I gave serious concise arguments by simply parrying them with faith. So, in light of this new evidence I presented the following introduction to the debate.

(Opening statement)

Rich: “I have FAITH that Christianity is completely and unequivocally false!!” --- I have just completely destroyed your religion and I am sorry but understand it was bound to happen. What will you do now that I have completely dismantled any argument you could possibly use in defense of your religion? Well I hope it all works out for you and thank you for coming.” (Gathers notes and proceeds to leave the building).

*An odd rustling of chairs and whispers permeates through the church. The congregation (now in shock) struggles frantically to come to grips with what has just transpired. About half way down the aisle I hear the pastor’s voice as he speaks very angrily into the mic*

Pastor:” WHERE ARE YOU GOING!” ; “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?”

* Still with my back towards the angry pastor*

Rich: “The debate is over; I have just proved your religion false”.

Pastor: “Simply stating that you have faith my religion is false proves absolutely nothing!”

(I stop in my tracks, turn and now armed with a mischievous grin from ear to ear say:

Rich: “Well sir, now that we have established that faith proves absolutely nothing---let’s have a debate.”

(I then proceeded to kick the living shit out of every one of his arguments with a real sense of pity for the old bastard. He really never recovered from the first 30 seconds of the debate.)

Other variants:

This technique comes in handy if you think you will have a subject that is easily baited into a trap like this. If you get no response, you can try several variants on this same theme. It’s important to give the audience enough time to process your statement of faith. It is also important that the message be communicated as loudly and clearly as possible (within reason that is). If you get no response try returning to the podium and saying something like this:
Now how many of you think I have completely dismantled your religion with that statement of faith? Did I sway you in the least? Really look into your heart or hearts and tell me what it is telling you?

(This is mumbo jumbo Xian talk, obviously the heart does not speak but they don’t know that).

Are your views any different now than they were 30 seconds ago? No, they are not are they? - Simply stating that I have faith your religion is false proved absolutely nothing. So as you have just seen, with your own feelings and emotions bearing witness - just how unpersuasive and meaningless an appeal to faith really is. Simply declaring faith proves absolutely nothing! So now that we have exposed this most illogical fallacy, let’s have a debate without faith.